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Smartguy67 wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 8:15 pm Good luck to Ford selling their UK stock of EV's. Hasn't anyone told them most people don't want them. Our government have pulled all the incentives now and EV owners will be paying VED from next year. Benefit in Kind tax is rising too. Not sure if the £40k threshold for VED will affect EV's.

The only way Ford are going to sell these to the masses is make them cheap enough. They may just be that second hand.

0-60 times are good though.
Problem is the manufacturers are committed, spending billions on new factories and facing £15,000 per car fines for each ICE car over the target.
The prices are starting to come down, especially on the Chinese ones, agreed not fast enough, but it will speed up as volumes increase.
I'm thinking the UK will become like Cuba in the future, keeping ICE cars going through back street mechanics for decades... :lol:
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BjNtheBear wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 4:35 pm I used to hanker after the 280 injection, it was metallic green with the pinstripe round the flanks and black leather interior, think it was around 10k back in the day, boy have prices moved on or what, shocking 😲.
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At that time it was a powerful car, but my Puma ST now would easily beat it in all areas of performance.
I always loved the Capri, but have never owned one.
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Smartguy67 wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 8:15 pmNot sure if the £40k threshold for VED will affect EV's.
Yes it will definitely be applied to EV's when the new rules take effect from 1st April 2025, which if left unchanged will make an even bigger mockery of the fact that the threshold has not increased since first introduction in April 2017.
One point I am not sure about though...despite all the information I have read on the subject I havent been able to find anything that specifically states that the expensive car supplement will appy to already existing EV's like the standard rate will, and not just from April 2025 registrations onwards.


On a lighter note...I havent seen any jokes yet about the shape of the steering wheel like was done about the facelift Puma. :lol:
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An insult to the real Capri. I wonder what planet Ford is on these days.
Kept it sideways.
and you know what, haven't clue on my next vehicle. Choice>Big square chunky boxes that are too big for car parks.
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VW platform with Polestar looks. Not my cup of tea and certainly not at £50k!

I guess the company guys will buy them and in 36 months they’ll be £10-£15k second hand.
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Rays1 wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 8:34 am An insult to the real Capri. I wonder what planet Ford is on these days.
Kept it sideways.
and you know what, haven't clue on my next vehicle. Choice>Big square chunky boxes that are too big for car parks.

Same as myself. I think I’m going to go for a year old Puma - Ford Direct with two years unlimited mileage and then get shot of it before the warranty runs out. Lowest mileage I can find.
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Sparks wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 11:12 pm
Smartguy67 wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 8:15 pm Good luck to Ford selling their UK stock of EV's. Hasn't anyone told them most people don't want them. Our government have pulled all the incentives now and EV owners will be paying VED from next year. Benefit in Kind tax is rising too. Not sure if the £40k threshold for VED will affect EV's.

The only way Ford are going to sell these to the masses is make them cheap enough. They may just be that second hand.

0-60 times are good though.
Problem is the manufacturers are committed, spending billions on new factories and facing £15,000 per car fines for each ICE car over the target.
The prices are starting to come down, especially on the Chinese ones, agreed not fast enough, but it will speed up as volumes increase.
I'm thinking the UK will become like Cuba in the future, keeping ICE cars going through back street mechanics for decades... :lol:
There could be some opportunities I think for some small engineering companies or large ones for that matter to manufacture engine components for ICE's for many years to come. There is a massive reluctance for people in the UK to move to an EV, same in Germany as well I believe. In Norway you save the VAT. That's a massive saving. What do we get here....zilch.

The manufacturers will be able to sell all or most new vehicles each year, about 1.5m to 2m cars a year. 60% of those sales are business users. The remaining 40% are like you and I. Not sure what % are motability customers. The average age of the car in the UK is 8.6 years old. Based on the average age, how many people will want to own or buy an EV at over 8 years old. I would guess the 1, 2 and 3 year old EV's may sell ok as they will be cheap but that will have a knock on effect of new PCP deals as the depreciation loss needs to be captured within the term. That will put a lot of the 40% of private buyers off.

In my opinion the only reason most people will look at an EV is if it becomes so expensive to run an ICE.

The government won't care about cost to the consumer. Thresholds haven't risen with inflation yet others things have like VED for instance. Cars have gone up by up to 25% in the last 5 years and obviously the 20% vat content has risen with that. Have a look at the statistics for how much the government has earned in VAT due to the high cost, £40b more now than in 2019/20, that's billions not millions. They say they have no money. WTF are they doing with it. Paying for the pandemic yes, but plenty of opportunities to increase thresholds prior to 2020.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/284 ... eipts-vat/
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Had a days loan of a New Capri today whilst my 74 plate Titanium Puma was back in the dealers having misaligned panels sorted.
My first drive in an EV and all I can say is WOW!
Acceleration is absolutely bonkers and the ride and handling was pretty good too.
I admit I have until now been an EV sceptic, I think I’m converted 🫤
It certainly has the interior that the face lifted Puma should have had, very smart and well screwed together.
Hopefully the EV Puma due in late 2025 is as good.
I think I have been turned😜😜😜
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Fishfiddler wrote: Tue Nov 26, 2024 6:26 pm Had a days loan of a New Capri today whilst my 74 plate Titanium Puma was back in the dealers having misaligned panels sorted.
My first drive in an EV and all I can say is WOW!
Acceleration is absolutely bonkers and the ride and handling was pretty good too.
I admit I have until now been an EV sceptic, I think I’m converted 🫤
It certainly has the interior that the face lifted Puma should have had, very smart and well screwed together.
Hopefully the EV Puma due in late 2025 is as good.
I think I have been turned😜😜😜
You will soon be unconverted once you have the hassle of trying to charge the car and then realise the range drops dramatically in the cold and can be just as bad in the heat! :D
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By coincidence I was in a brand new Tesla Model 3 today...just the standard RWD Model but the acceleration would easily leave my ST behind.
The technology is amazing...probably too much if I'm being honest.
Am I ready to change to EV?
No.
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