Ron240 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 11:48 am
My take on this is if you join an owners forum you are more likely to be interested in how these things work.
Exactly.
I have never known such poor technical information availability on a system. It is almost (probably is) as though they don’t want you to know how (useless?) it is. They release a crappy marketing cartoon and everyone takes it that is the full and technical description!! Probably a sign of todays lack of mechanical (or pretty much anything away from a keyboard) knowledge/ability people have.
Ron240 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 11:48 am
My take on this is if you join an owners forum you are more likely to be interested in how these things work.
Exactly.
I have never known such poor technical information availability on a system. It is almost (probably is) as though they don’t want you to know how (useless?) it is. They release a crappy marketing cartoon and everyone takes it that is the full and technical description!! Probably a sign of todays lack of mechanical (or pretty much anything away from a keyboard) knowledge/ability people have.
Why would the majority want a full and technical description?
Ford Puma ST-Line Vignale 155 Automatic.
Driver Assistance Pack. Power Tailgate etc. etc....Frozen White.
Wireless Android Auto.
Previous Puma ST-Line X First Edition.
Ron240 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 11:48 am
My take on this is if you join an owners forum you are more likely to be interested in how these things work.
Exactly.
I have never known such poor technical information availability on a system. It is almost (probably is) as though they don’t want you to know how (useless?) it is. They release a crappy marketing cartoon and everyone takes it that is the full and technical description!! Probably a sign of todays lack of mechanical (or pretty much anything away from a keyboard) knowledge/ability people have.
Why would the majority want a full and technical description?
I don’t know? Don’t suppose the majority would. But a lot of enthusiasts with mechanical/ electrical skill and ability would. Don’t think there was much on our cars and bikes of the past we weren’t competent enough to tackle our selves. Fully comprehensive workshop manuals were available for all cars and many of us serviced them from new ourselves without hesitation. Again, sign of the times
Ron240 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 11:48 am
My take on this is if you join an owners forum you are more likely to be interested in how these things work.
Exactly.
I have never known such poor technical information availability on a system. It is almost (probably is) as though they don’t want you to know how (useless?) it is. They release a crappy marketing cartoon and everyone takes it that is the full and technical description!! Probably a sign of todays lack of mechanical (or pretty much anything away from a keyboard) knowledge/ability people have.
You're unwilling to accept peoples written explanations and almost demand OEM published technical documentation as evidence. That's a very honourable approach to engineering but Ford are never going to release that information in practice.
btw, I'm still waiting for your make/model of MHEV car which is less a 12V starter motor.
Ron240 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 11:48 am
My take on this is if you join an owners forum you are more likely to be interested in how these things work.
Exactly.
I have never known such poor technical information availability on a system. It is almost (probably is) as though they don’t want you to know how (useless?) it is. They release a crappy marketing cartoon and everyone takes it that is the full and technical description!! Probably a sign of todays lack of mechanical (or pretty much anything away from a keyboard) knowledge/ability people have.
You're unwilling to accept peoples written explanations and almost demand OEM published technical documentation as evidence. That's a very honourable approach to engineering but Ford are never going to release that information in practice.
btw, I'm still waiting for your make/model of MHEV car which is less a 12V starter motor.
Look for yourself, there’s plenty out there, NONE BELT DRIVEN versions is a clue for you and might help you in your quest. Only belt driven versions will usually have a 12v starter motor. But whether they have or don’t has little to nothing to do with the overall way the system works, just a change of cold start method only. It is this weird claim that coasting regeneration is the only charging the 48v battery receives, right or wrong I am interested in it being confirmed with evidence. I posted the schematic of the Delphi ( if I remember correctly, maybe not) system version, it doesn’t use a 12v starter, only the 48v motor/generator located between the engine and gearbox.
Who’s explanations? There is no evidence to back them up. I want to know exactly how the system works evidence based otherwise it’s worthless information. Full explanation of car systems has always been the norm for over a century, why the hell should a twopence halfpenny mild hybrid system be any different ? The information will be out there because independents have to be able to maintain them. All the info I have seen in other systems confirms they work as or similar to the way I and the experts description I posted. Only this Ford system has people saying different and that is probably because of the silly cartoon Ford made
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Ford Puma ST-Line Vignale 155 Automatic.
Driver Assistance Pack. Power Tailgate etc. etc....Frozen White.
Wireless Android Auto.
Previous Puma ST-Line X First Edition.
Don’t know what that diagram is from but it’s nothing like the one ive seen for the Puma? But it makes no difference, all of the charging comes from the engines rotation , doesn’t matter if it’s ac or dc at source, the charging works exactly the same.
Are you actually saying all of the 48v charge comes from engine rotation?
Think about it, where else can it come from?
Sorry but you just don’t understand how the Puma Hybrid works.
I’ll leave it at that because I’m fully aware of how it charges the 48v battery.
Puma Frozen White ST Line X 155 Winter Pack & Driver Assistance Pack.
Are you actually saying all of the 48v charge comes from engine rotation?
Think about it, where else can it come from?
Sorry but you just don’t understand how the Puma Hybrid works.
I’ll leave it at that because I’m fully aware of how it charges the 48v battery.
If your fully aware and I am wrong (I am not wrong, but I’m talking about the systems I have found info on, not Puma) post your information or I’m afraid you stay wrong. I couldn’t give two hoots either way, it’s a pointless, set to fail expensive gimmick anyway. I am just curious why this system is different and it appears far more basic than the systems I have found information on. BUT I can’t believe that the Lithium battery is charged only when the car is slowing. The Stop Start would hardly ever work.
I don't have an opinion on this one way or the other as if it breaks I doubt I could fix it but according to Ford the HV battery is charged through decellaration and braking.
HOW DO MILD HYBRIDS WORK?
Mild hybrids combine an electric motor and 48-volt battery with a conventional engine. The electric motor seamlessly integrates with the engine and uses stored energy to provide extra torque. The system monitors vehicle usage to determine whether to use or charge the battery.
When your MHEV is coasting or braking, the electric motor acts as a generator. Energy is collected and stored in the 48-volt battery, ready to assist or supplement the engine.
