Puma sales tanked.

[Sparks]

Considering the older version of the Puma has the old Fiesta interior,how dare they just simply update the interior, patch front fog lights,tut tut,I've not had front fog lights in my cars since 2011,as far as EV'S go sales are really in decline
Think my wife's car with 2 options was £36k but wee got a great on it though ,that aside,the facelift car ticks so many boxes ,maybe if we're an existing owner of the pld car, I wouldn't slate the new Facelift car just like the majority of the members on here do,but no I wouldn't because I had a new 23 plate Fiesta ST3 and the sync 3 ,then that archaic looking dashboard was enough for me too patch the car 6 months earlier than I should have,if the new Puma ST was available even sooner then the Fiesta ST would have gone then
Oh just remembered front fog lights....ie cornering lights are built into the new Facelift car....

As they are in the pre-facelift...

I think you'll find that those criticising the facelift do so as a matter of opinion, which will differ from person to person.
A lot of us have waited for the facelift and were disappointed and thought it fell short of what it could have been. They also didn't take the opportunity to rectify some design mistakes and they are still ongoing into the new one...
Ford made it unappealing and too expensive for what is a diluted car if you already own one IMO...
Happy that you are content in your choice and it being your first Puma you probably won't find it lacking.

[4251]

I agree they definitely went backwards with the so called face lift and sales have absolutely confirmed this. It’s interior is awful and none user friendly, and that steering wheel alone is a not buy feature. The pre face lift is just a much better place with it’s adequate amount of buttons and excellent climate panel. I don’t mind the sync 4 but there is nothing wrong with the sync 3 either, although they removed a few features over the last few years to make 4 look better.

But nothing new , they committed the same sales disaster cheap down on the Focus and Fiesta, although they didn’t ruin the Fiesta interior.

As for fog lights, Remove the things from every car, only used as illegal fashion accessories by most. Glad to see people being stopped using them in clear weather on A66 a while back.

[Jassyo06#]

Considering Ford done a mild face-lift on the Fiesta and the Focus,anyone who had high expectations of Ford doing a full facelift on the Puma? where niave,change dashboard,change headlight design,change Ford logo,l left Audi because of their design language on the A3/S3/RS3 8Y went to pot,so did Audi's renowned build quality and interior,so I've been on the disappointed side of things aswel,car manufacturer's especially European one,are doing little as the can get away with their current ICE models_platforms because in the near future,all the new models will be EV's built on different platforms

[Sparks]

I don't think anyone was naïve in thinking they would do a better job than they have. As I've said before it's your opinion that they did a good job, to which you are perfectly entitled. I know you haven't owned a Puma previously, but, there are simple design tweaks they should have done to improve the car.....i.e the doors having no seal and allowing ingress of dirt front and rear, as just one example. I don't think the Puma is value for money any longer.
I find it hard to understand that you moved from Audi to Ford for better build quality, your Audi experience must have been bad. Not being a brand on my list I'll take your word for it....

[4251]

Considering Ford done a mild face-lift on the Fiesta and the Focus,anyone who had high expectations of Ford doing a full facelift on the Puma? where niave,change dashboard,change headlight design,change Ford logo,l left Audi because of their design language on the A3/S3/RS3 8Y went to pot,so did Audi's renowned build quality and interior,so I've been on the disappointed side of things aswel,car manufacturer's especially European one,are doing little as the can get away with their current ICE models_platforms because in the near future,all the new models will be EV's built on different platforms

No, the latest Audi models are absolutely superb, taken a big step up especially the recent 3 and 5 . Lightyears above Puma, and so have VW with their recent ICE model releases, build quality, design and materials probably the biggest model to model improvements ever. The Puma is built to maximise profit, and to a much lower quality level, Fiesta level, saving money everywhere it can and it really shows.

[Jassyo06#]

I don't think anyone was naïve in thinking they would do a better job than they have. As I've said before it's your opinion that they did a good job, to which you are perfectly entitled. I know you haven't owned a Puma previously, but, there are simple design tweaks they should have done to improve the car.....i.e the doors having no seal and allowing ingress of dirt front and rear, as just one example. I don't think the Puma is value for money any longer.
I find it hard to understand that you moved from Audi to Ford for better build quality, your Audi experience must have been bad. Not being a brand on my list I'll take your word for it....

My Audi Experience was excellent,I had 4 of them from March 2015 to 2021 all top models fully loaded,exclusive paint on one of them,when Dieselgate finally took its toll on their new models cheap interior plastics, design language,wanting more money for a car that really didn't deserve it...but that's a global thing now paying more for less
From my experience/opinion the Puma is somewhat good value for money,for what I was use too paying for all things considered
My worst Ford was that Grey Fiesta ST3
Best Ford was my 2013 Focus ST3 best build quality I've experienced in a Ford.....back when the they used genuine leather in a Focus ST.ive always loved Ford cars,as my father had many great examples from new,Xr3,Xr3i,Orion Ghia injection x 2 ,RS1600i in Silver,3-0 Capri Ghia,Escort RS Turbo,Model ST24 V6 Saloon ....and many more,in my opinion cutting all ice cars from it's line up,is premature of Ford and I am sure they will pay dearly for this,as will Jaguar

[Jassyo06#]

Considering Ford done a mild face-lift on the Fiesta and the Focus,anyone who had high expectations of Ford doing a full facelift on the Puma? where niave,change dashboard,change headlight design,change Ford logo,l left Audi because of their design language on the A3/S3/RS3 8Y went to pot,so did Audi's renowned build quality and interior,so I've been on the disappointed side of things aswel,car manufacturer's especially European one,are doing little as the can get away with their current ICE models_platforms because in the near future,all the new models will be EV's built on different platforms

No, the latest Audi models are absolutely superb, taken a big step up especially the recent 3 and 5 . Lightyears above Puma, and so have VW with their recent ICE model releases, build quality, design and materials probably the biggest model to model improvements ever. The Puma is built to maximise profit, and to a much lower quality level, Fiesta level, saving money everywhere it can and it really shows.

Really!!! you know nothing about Audi ,can't be arsed typing anymore

[4251]

Considering Ford done a mild face-lift on the Fiesta and the Focus,anyone who had high expectations of Ford doing a full facelift on the Puma? where niave,change dashboard,change headlight design,change Ford logo,l left Audi because of their design language on the A3/S3/RS3 8Y went to pot,so did Audi's renowned build quality and interior,so I've been on the disappointed side of things aswel,car manufacturer's especially European one,are doing little as the can get away with their current ICE models_platforms because in the near future,all the new models will be EV's built on different platforms

No, the latest Audi models are absolutely superb, taken a big step up especially the recent 3 and 5 . Lightyears above Puma, and so have VW with their recent ICE model releases, build quality, design and materials probably the biggest model to model improvements ever. The Puma is built to maximise profit, and to a much lower quality level, Fiesta level, saving money everywhere it can and it really shows.

Really!!! you know nothing about Audi ,can't be arsed typing anymore

I know nothing about Audi’s ? I’ve had more than a dozen the last 20 years, plus numerous VW, Seat/Cupra and Skoda. And had most of the same cars your father had too. Agree the MK3 Focus is a good car, I still have a ST3 MK3.5 and they were a good improvement over the MK3 when facelifts used to mean something. Focus is s good step up on Fiesta/Puma re build quality etc,

It’s obvious you have a major anti Fiesta ST which goes against pretty much everybody else’s opinion. Fine we all see different things. Although I seriously suspect most of your issues will have been caused by the extremely high tyre pressures you say you run. That would cause serious tram lining and a extra harsh ride.

[Mike]

i think they are generally too expensive now although i haven't had a look at an updated one. When i bought mine i could live with some of the cheaper interior parts because my new 155 ST.LIne x cost just over 20k, now from what i am reading i would be looking at 30-35k which is a lot of money.
if the controls are anything like my new transit custom it drives me mad waiting for the screen to wake up sometimes so that i can turn off stop/start, speed warning , also if you forget to turn the aircon blower off at night if it has been set at a cooler temp when you turn it on in the morning you have icy cold air blowing at you until the screen wakes up so that it can be turned off.

Read that Nissan dealers are also instructed to sell some vehicles off at a loss just to shift some cars due to their financial situation at the moment which won't be helping Puma sales.

[Cambuster]

Just picked up my new 155bhp Cactus Grey ST-Line X P/S and can't believe this regen braking malarkey, having to keep the foot on the accelerator when approaching a halt, aagh!